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June 20, 2004Fortune Smiles and A Slick Sim
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"Every man is the architect of his own fortune." After 7 hours, I racked out at $580 in the always-insane $6-12 game at Hollywood Park, one of my biggest wins to date. I had plenty of good hands cracked, but I managed to flop big with most of my AKs and AQs, and won most of my money from players trying to suck out with second pair. The table was so good that people were calling to the showdown with third pair on a consistent basis. Bad beat of the night: loose guy raises Under the gun, I find KK on the button and 3 bet. He bets on the ragged flop of J 9 7 rainbow, and I raise. He calls, and the turn is the harmless looking 6. He checkraises me, and I have no idea what he has, and just call... river is a rag, and he shows me T8 suited for the straight. Yeah, yeah, another bad beat story. But there's actually a reason for sharing this one-- I found myself clueless as to what to do on the river when a relatively harmless looking card fell. Most of the time (when I wasn't drawing), I was pretty sure my hand was good, but since people were calling with second and third pair, I never knew if the river had given them two pair. I took the risk-averse strategy on most occasions, and ended up checking for fear of a raise. I gave up about 6 or 7 big bets on the river by playing scared, and I'm still not sure for most of these situations if betting was the best play. Example: raise from middle position, I call on the BB with pocket tens. Ragged flop, and I bet all the way to the river, and get called by the original raiser, who is a fishy loose aggressive player. The river is a Jack, and I think I'm probably still good, but I check, he checks and he looks at his cards for a minute before mucking them. I caught a peek at the bottom card, and it looked like a 9, so I'm guessing pocket 9s. I think the value bet on the river against a calling stations who could be holding almost any two cards is one of the few tough decisions to make in a loose-passive game. It pretty much comes down to the question: Is the probability that your opponent is beat and will still call one more bet greater than the probability that they caught something on the river? The low-limit no-limit $100 buy in games were rocking as usual, and I had previously thought I would stick to these games for live play, as my intuition told me they were more profitable. However, I rethought it on the way to the casino, and wasn't so sure. In the $6-12 game, the caliber of players is several notches below the $100 NL game, if you can get a seat at one of the better tables. Since we make money off the mistakes of our opponents, I tried to figure out how much the mistakes in $6-12 cost the players versus the cost of a mistake in the no limit game. I find that in the no-limit game, people make pretty good decisions preflop, and then can't release their hand if they hit any piece of the flop. In the limit game, people are making huge mistakes preflop, but then correctly calling after the flop since the pot is usually big enough to justify a call if they catch anything (such as bottom pair). The NL game is also considerably tighter, and usually ends up with 2 or 3 players by the turn. In the limit game, it's common to have 4 or 5 people seeing the turn, so there are usually a greater number of people making mistakes. And of course you can play more hands in the limit game, since you almost always have odds to play any draw, and no one can bet you out of the pot. None of this is new to anyone, but in the end I decided that I'd rather face a greater number of players making many small mistakes than a small number of players making a few big mistakes. So I stuck to limit, although I was ready to move if I couldn't find a good table. Fortunately, I found a great table and my cards held up. Check out Lou Krieger's article in CardPlayer for a much better discussion of the limit vs. no-limit debate: "The recent surge in poker's popularity has produced one possible compromise in game structure: the introduction of no-limit games with a fixed buy-in. These games, in which there's a cap on the amount a player can buy in for — a typical game features blinds of $1-$2, with a maximum buy-in of either $100 or $200 — provide no-limit decision-making and the ability to protect one's hand with a big bet. But because of the cap on the buy-in, they also mitigate the catastrophic nature of a single bad decision. While some players derisively refer to these games as big-bet poker with training wheels, the game structure straddles a middle ground between limit hold'em and real big-bet games." How big is big slick? Enter Turbo Texas Hold 'Em. On Friday I read an interesting tidbit from the archives of the writer whose advice for loose games is unparallelled: the mighty Izmet Fekali. "Of course, this is not the best example of reverse implied odds, as you might lose a lot postflop when a scare card hits and you cannot know whether your opponent's bet is a bluff or not. But I'm sure you understand the logic. A better example would be a hand like AKo which will usually win more than it's fair share against many opponents preflop and therefore MUST raise for immediate profit." A little bell went off in my head as I remembered reading simulations that say AKo does terrible against many opponents. I even managed to remember where I'd read it: The Simulation Profile 1: Pure Aggression (PA)-- always raise. No matter what the action before him, PA always raises Profile 2: Call Raises (CR)-- Raise if opening or pot has not been raised, otherwise call Profile 3: Calling Station (CS)-- always call, never raise I ran each profile on 3 different table types, using the pre-packaged lineups included in TTH: Table 1: Loose Aggressive The sim was run for 2 million hands for each table, playing $10-20 hold 'em with a typical 10% rake. Hypotheses: I expected that on the loose aggressive table, PA and CR would have the highest win rate, since every raise punishes people limping or raising with marginal hands. I figured CR would end up slightly ahead since capping with big slick would run into big pairs enough times that it would make PA slightly less profitable. Similarly, PA should do well on the average passive table, punishing limpers with raises, but losing a bit of equity perhaps by 3 betting against solid raises. On the low limit table, I figured CR would probably triumph, although if the "Player's Guide" simulation was right, then CS might come out with the highest win rate. Results:
Discussion: Surprisingly, there wasn't much difference between the win rates, except on the loose aggressive tables. I have to think about these results some more, but they were somewhat surprising. Not surprisingly, pure aggression can lead to a slightly higher win rate, but comes with higher variance. The Poker Prof and Flipchipro had the honor of interviewing one of my favorite poker writers, Tom McEvoy, this week. Check out their interview, and after that, take a peek at the 2004 WSOP photo gallery. Here's how Tommy Mac got his start: "I started playing professionally in 1978, the best thing that ever happened to me was getting fired from my job that year and that gave me the opportunity to pursue poker full time. I spent about 6 months flying back and forth and during one 5-10 game I made over 1,000 dollars, well, this is over three times what I was making at my accounting job and more then the President of the company made (he made about 50,000 a year)." I've been meaning to link up to No Limit Poker Club since I met Mike, the owner of the site, at the Horseshoe during the WSOP. Mike lives and works in Vegas, and gives us an insider's view of low-limit hold 'em on the strip: "First of all, this poker room is not crowded with fish. I had clowns! sitting next to me. Get it? Clowns instead of fish at the Circus Circus casino? Can I get a rim shot?" I also have to thank Grubby and Chris for guiding me to the free money from blackjack bonuses before the sites were attacked by bonus hunters. Although the bonuses are still there for the taking, they have gotten harder to find. I encourage all of you low-limit players trying to build your bankroll to head over to Poker Grub for the best bonuses on the net. Oh, that reminds me, I have to throw in my two cents about the whole ALLIN Magazine debacle. I'm not sure what's going on over there, but I knew that the first issue would get a lot of publicity and would expose people to our little blog community, so I was happy to spend a few hours writing up an article for them. I won't drag you through the details, but some of the editor's suggested changes were difficult to swallow. All in all (no pun intended), it was a good experience, but there were plenty of tilt-inducing moments about the whole thing. I enjoyed Iggy's take: "I'm not going to besmirch ALLIN Magazine after they were kind enough to allow an excellent six page spread about the poker blog scene, written by Hank. But there are plenty of folks complaining on RGP about them....people have requested rate cards to no avail and most people haven't even received their first issue. For the record, the magazine was riddled with typos. In the real world, that I work in, you would be terminated with prejudice for even one, much less a dozen. Hell, they called PokerGrub = PokerGrab. Oh the humanity. Hire an editor and a REAL art director, guys!" I can't tell you how annoying this was. Sadly, one of my strongest suits is spelling, and this typo definitely wasn't mine. I suspect the editor thought I had made a spelling error, and took it upon himself to set it right. Ah well, at least I was able to get something in the first issue... any bets on the odds that a second issue makes it to publication? I have to congratulate my man T for his win in the Party Poker Million Satellite. T is a $15-30 player who has been living in bad beat city for the past couple of weeks, and was down to 10 chips early on after he flopped trip queens on a Q T x board, and someone called his all in on the turn with KJ to river the straight. In true "chip and a chair" fashion, he came back to win the satellite. T's moral: "There's always hope." A little pot limit anyone? Thanks for reading, enjoy the grind... Posted by hdouble at June 20, 2004 10:29 PM | TrackBack Maximize your profits: learn how to use the most powerful tool in online poker. Comments
Loved the AK analysis. To the point where I'll have to do some further thinking on it myself. I still reside in the "must raise always" camp here, mainly because if several people are coming along for the ride, you're getting extremely good leverage on your bet. If six people call and you win the hand more than 20-25% of the time, it's a clear winning play. In low limits, AK is a hand you have to be able to slow down/give up on if the flop is unfavorable. In general, I like the idea of raising a lot pre-flop because it's pretty cheap and if anyone's paying attention, they're going to have a hard time pinning you down to a hand when you raise. So, that's enough for me, but yeah, the variance can cause quite a headache. Posted by: Poker Nerd at June 21, 2004 07:27 AMHi H-- H2D, Solid post. Love the sims, I've toyed with the idea of building a sim, not sure if I have the time to do it right now, tho. I think the Limit vs. No-limit is an interresting question and one I have spent some time thinking about (considering how -EV my limit game as been lately). I think that one advantage pot-odds focused individuals (like yourself) have in a no-limit game is ensuring that you are not giving the correct pot odds to call, and only calling when pot-odds dictate a call. Many, many, many players make the mistake of building the pot with TPTK in such a way that it is correct (and oftentimes VERY correct) to call for the draw. Players overestimate the value of slowplaying. Then, when the draw hits, they freak out and make huge bets into you. Similarly, with your limit experience, you can properly defend your TPTK against such drawers and make them pay to suck you out. I am not sure about B&M games, but in Partyville, there are lots of players making many mistakes that you can pounce on. The downside, of course, is that playing NL ring games on Party is very boring (read: fold, fold, fold). I am not sure if I read this on grabbys (sorry, couldn't resist) or iggys site, but there wisdom that most chips are lost when playing tptk is so damn true. In limit, it's very hard to defend tptk, and I feel like 2/3rds of my losses are made to people who hit their draw or two pair that I am helpless to defend). In NL such a defense is quite easy. Finally, I think that one aspect of NL that is underestimated in reasonable-to-tight limit games is a bluff. I'm putting together some thoughts in my next post, but bluffing is a large part of the NL ring game (I am not advocating its use often but infrequent but well-timed bluffs can be ++EV). I'll see if I can find some others' opinions on the topic, just wanted to give my 2. Have fun in Sweeden. Posted by: Po'Boy at June 21, 2004 02:47 PMNerd-- I'm with ya, I like to raise with AK to provide cover for my other hands, but sometimes calling and going for the raise on the turn is more profitable from late position. S-- email me your address and I'll send you a copy. PoBoy-- I agree except for the part about protecting your hand in live NL games with small buy ins. Since the buy in is $100, the bad players usually have about $70 in front of them. If you raise $20 preflop, and they call, you have to bet at least $40 on the flop. A lot of the time they will shrug their shoulders and push their remaining chips in, mistakenly throwing good money after bad. This is the frustrating part of these games for me. Posted by: hdouble at June 21, 2004 04:20 PMEnjoy the vacation Dub, and bring me back a blonde, wouldya? I hear they're practically giving them away out there. Posted by: BG at June 21, 2004 05:09 PMHave a good trip. For the record, I like building pots with AK (so that's raise in LP, limping early, and pumping it if people go crazy). I can get away if the flop misses, and at least in LP, because I'm a tight player, I can often draw to a gutshot or my overcards for just one bet in a big pot, and often even get a free card. But yeah, enjoy yourself. Posted by: Penguin at June 24, 2004 05:13 AMRecently found your Blog... LOVE IT! Excellent post, I'm gonna re-read it about a thousand times though... I'm too green to get all that info in one shot. I'm pretty new to the game, although I'm learning fast. I enjoyed your article: It was moneymaker who got me thinking too. Anyway thanks for the great site, I'll visit again soon. Posted by: Doug at June 24, 2004 08:41 AMPost a comment
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