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May 09, 2005Intermission
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Weary the path that does not challenge. Doubt is an incentive to truth and patient inquiry leadeth the way. I haven't had any major poker revelations lately, so the blog has been languishing a bit as of late. Unfortunately there isn't much poker to speak of, but there will be in the near future (the wife is off to native Sweden for a month, and much poker is planned in her absence). This is mostly due to the heavy hours I've been putting in for a certain online poker room (note: no affiliate link). I really like what I'm doing, and I'd like to believe that my work is in some part responsible for Full Tilt's steady growth. We still have a long way to go before we get the player base of some other sites (especially this one, which is doing all the right things, thanks in part to one of the best poker bloggers out there), but I really believe that we are headed in the right direction. Hand histories are on the horizon, and our team of programmers is fiendishly working away at various functionality improvements. This is not an attempt at shilling-- I'm just saying that I'm proud of my work and the efforts of the poker-playing-programmers that I put in the hours with every day. But enough about Full Tilt. In lieu of a well thought-out post, I've got some ramblings that I've picked up over the past few weeks that I thought I'd share. On Gambling Theory Let's look at a simple example to illustrate why the all-in overbet loses you money in the long run. You've got pocket eights and limp in along with 3 other players. The flop comes 8c 2h Ah, giving you a set and the rest of the field a heart draw. There are 4 small bets in the pot, and you are first to act. Let's say you have 200 small bets in your stack. How much do you bet? Now, if we're totally risk averse, we simply go all in with our near-nut hand and if we're called, we've maximized our value-- anyone calling is probably making a monstrous mistake (unless they've already got us beat or have a monster straight flush draw). But our opponents are probably not likely to make such a big mistake, so most of the time the only time we're called here is if we're beat. If we know our gambling theory, we bet out an amount that encourages our opponent to make a smaller mistake. In this case, a pot-sized bet gives a flush draw 2:1 odds on making their 4:1 flush on the next card. This is a pretty big mistake over the long run, and one our opponents are much more likely to make than calling a huge overbet on a draw. Of course, we'll lose 25% of the time when our opponent calls and makes their flush on the turn, but 75% of the time we get to extract more money from our opponent with another pot sized bet on the turn. This doesn't include times we'll be raised by one of the 3 opponents who acts after us. Monstrous overbets violate gambling theory, in the sense that no intelligent gambler will call such a bet unless he already has you beat. Good gambling (and good poker) encourages smaller mistakes that add up in the long run. I think some of the reason for all of the overbetting I see is that many people learned to play No-Limit in tournaments, where the all-in is often a correct play, and in short-stack (33 big bets or less) No Limit cash games, where you're often pot committed on the flop. To me, deep stack No-Limit holdem is at it's best when the all-in is used as a weapon to put people to the test-- on hands where there's a lot of money in the pot, the overbet can be used to force our opponent to ask, "Why would he overbet like that? Is he trying to steal the pot or does he really have me beat?" This is the difference between no-limit and pot-limit, and it's what makes the game so great. Betting 100 big bets to win 4 or 5, however, turns the game into a "wait-for-the-nuts" contest with little skill involved.
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On the WSOP That said, it would be a great experience to play in either of the two events. But probably just too expensive an experience for me. So I'll try to win my way in a couple times and hope for the best.
After I put Action Dan on the shelf, I plan on reading Matt Matros' new book. If you're having doubts about the book, this page convinced me to buy it-- I think it's the best analysis of a hand I've ever seen. If you're planning on playing 15-30 limit poker anytime soon, I highly recommend Ciaffone's Middle Limit hold em book. It's probably the toughest poker book I've read, but also the most rewarding. Lots of subtle and advanced concepts are hammered home by "the coach." Be prepared for some deep thought before picking up this book.
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may favorite quote from the 2+2 bot thread: Let me be the first to say, I welcome our new Push or Fold Overlords. Posted by: fhwrdh at May 9, 2005 11:47 PM"But our opponents are probably not likely to make such a big mistake, so most of the time the only time we're called here is if we're beat." Man, what games are *you* playing? Check-raising all-in with the nut flush draw is the standard play, didn't you know that? If your opponent folds one in three times, it's a profitable play! And trust me, they'll fold one in three times.
So, yeah, blogging should be pretty low on the priority list. Leaving comments, on the other hand... Posted by: StudioGlyphic at May 10, 2005 12:08 AMHD giving NL advice? What's the world come to? :) I agree though, the all in is terribly overused. I haven't noticed it so much at the 200NL (but there's only like 5 tables of it on Party, so...), but below that it is very common. Much more so on Party though. Keep up the good work, although I still think you got the programmers to add the "Make sure chrisdhal can't have a winning session" flag in the FTP client. Geez... :) Posted by: Chris Halverson at May 10, 2005 06:35 AMGlad to see you poke your head up above the workload? Next question is; when are we playing? Posted by: Bill Rini at May 10, 2005 08:13 AMJune 2nd is the Casino Employee event right? I'm planning on playing that event as well. I have to keep my casino employee tournament final table streak going (5th at Legends of Poker last year) :) Posted by: OJ at May 10, 2005 10:14 AMI keep telling you boys -- shorter posts, more often. But who's ever listened to me? Thanks for the tip on Harrington. I think I've seen another thumbs-up, so I'll grab it at the bookstore next time thru. Agree 100% with the Ciaffone book. I've started it 20 times, and it just zooms right over my empty noggin in about 10 pages. Perhaps one day I will have the chops. Posted by: Scott Chaffin at May 10, 2005 04:31 PMI like your "all-in" over use analysis. I think we all need to vary our game, though, especially while we move up in levels. An all-in once in a while keeps an aggressive fascade intact. With that being said, in tourneys, the newbies (of which I am one) do use it it too much....especially with questionable hands pre-flop. Oh, and who is Dan Harrington? Never heard of him! Heh. Posted by: Easycure at May 11, 2005 07:43 AMOf course, the other possibility with the stupid all-in is the mis-click... It's still hurting, I blogged it here: http://www.livejournal.com/users/jellymillion/3693.html Posted by: Mike Woodhouse at May 11, 2005 12:44 PMDamn. Wrong link. http://www.livejournal.com/users/jellymillion/3478.html Posted by: Mike Woodhouse at May 11, 2005 12:46 PMAny books you recommend are books I immediately order. What? No Amazon links???? Posted by: Donkeypuncher at May 11, 2005 11:07 PMGame theory is like economics: both assume rational actors. I was watching Joe Speaker's rebuy and addon tourney, and horribly incorrect calls were the rule--both preflop and on the flop. You know better than most that knowing your opponent is key to success. Well, these monkeys are not rational actors, and if you've got aces, it's often correct to raise to 50x the big blind. He placed 7th, by the way. Post a comment
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