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December 03, 2004Learning to Smell and Playing the Player Types
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If your mind is empty, it is always ready for anything; it is open to everything. In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities; in the expert's mind there are few. I know I shouldn't be complaining, but in the 4 years I've been in Southern California, this past week was by far the coldest I can remember. After growing up in Connecticut and spending some time in Sweden, I refuse to turn on the heat in my apartment, so it makes for some cold poker playing in front of the laptop. I also get to dress like the best coach ever, Bill Belichek, with my hooded sweatshirt, and somehow it makes me feel like a better poker player. ![]() Before I get into various ramblings, a couple quick things: 1. Last post I talked about my "poker environment", and recommended the use of GameTime+ as a bridge between PartyPoker and PokerTracker. Thanks to recommendations from Halverson 3K and Helixx, I've switched over to PlayerViewNet. It's faster and prettier than GameTime+, and I highly recommend it. 2. Stripper by Night and Iggy beat me to the punch on this one, but I've been a reader of Aaron Gleeman's hugely popular baseball blog for a while now. Check out his excellent writeup of his performance in a recent PokerStars tourney. Not suprisingly, AG took down the big prize after a great comeback. 3. Rafe "Tiltboy" Furst just sent me email about a repository he's created for changing the look and feel of the Full Tilt Poker Client. Check out his site if you're a Full Tilt player: "The Tiltboys have created an unofficial web site where anyone can download and upload graphical and sound modifications to the Full Tilt Poker software client: --Rafe" Ok, on to the rambling... FilmGeek's Home Game $20 buy-in, no-limit game with .25-.50 blinds. I haven't played live in a while, and seeing that the stakes were low, my goal was to see as many flops as I could and triple up. Of course, my cards were terrible, and my patience was shot-- playing 3 shorthanded tables online has gotten me used to seeing around 250 hands per hour, and here we were seeing something like 50 hands per hour. Online poker definitely throws of the rhythm and patience required for a live game, but maybe I'm just making excuses... Anyway, FHWRDH, StudioGlyphic and FilmGeek were playing a tight, solid game, and I was able to bluff a lot of pots early on with loose aggressive play. Lance (FWHWRDH's coworker) was giving me some action, and eventually the other 3 bloggers started to loosen up a bit after seeing me show down so many garbage hands. My plan was working to perfection-- with my loose table image, I was ready to get paid off when I finally hit my big hand. It didn't quite work out that way. The bloggers were smart enough to lay down their hands when I did flop big, and after Lance had doubled me up early, he punished me by turning broadway after I flopped top two pair (AQ). Rebuy! A while later, I was crushed on a 3-way all in after flopping the nut straight... Lance hit his nut straight on the turn and instantly called my all in, and StudioGlyphic came along for the ride with two pair. Rebuy! I didn't get much to work with after that, but there was one memorable hand. After raising it up on the big blind with JTs, I was surprised to find tight FilmGeek calling after limping in from late position. The flop was K T 8, and I smelled danger, so I checked to see what the young Jedi knight would do. He doubles the pot, and now I'm really confused. I go into the tank, and have the sneaking suspicious that my second pair is good, but nothing about this hand made sense. Why the limp? Why such a big bet? Rather than rebuying for a 3rd time, I reluctantly mucked and watched in horror as FilmGeek rolled over... THE HAMMER! Yep, the kid had outplayed me with the Mighty 72o, stone cold bluffing his way to a nice little pot. Ye gads. I went home the big loser at -50, and Lance had tripled up (thanks to my help) to take home $60 as the big winner. The table was hugely negative EV, but I came home with a new appreciation for the players on PartyPoker. Poker bloggers good, Party players bad. Next time I'm going to insist on a fishing trip to Hollywood Park, Commerce, or the Hustler, rather than face more rebuys. What makes an Expert By nature, our brains try to fit the world into patterns, and we attempt to put order to any event, even if that event is based on some random process. I remember reading some study about superstition in mice-- the scientists had a button that dispensed food to the mouse, and randomized the food dispenser so that sometimes the button dispensed food, and sometimes it didn't. After a while, the mouse decided that an intricate sequence of actions (running on the wheel, going to the corner of the cage, and doing the Travolta dance in Saturday night fever) "activated" the button, and always performed this routine before pressing the button. The mouse, in true superstitious fashion, believed that his routine "caused" the button to work, and continued to go through with it for every press of the button. The shuffling of cards is (supposedly) a random process. However, betting patterns are not. Thus, what we learn is the sequence of actions that tell us when our actions are correct (when our hand is the best hand), and we press that raise button every time our brain recognizes a "winning" pattern of betting from our opponents. After 120,000 hands, these patterns are starting to sink in. My point here is that I've begun to play a lot more by "feel" than I ever have before. I remember my first few months in the casino, I was always calling "time" to calculate pot odds, figure out what the raise from my opponent meant, and so on. The "thinking time" at the tables (virtual or real) these days for me is minimal-- there aren't many patterns that I haven't seen. In some ways, this is a good thing, as it allows me to focus more on the little things that are happening at the table, and use those to extract some extra bets from my opponents. But I definitely miss the days when every session was a lesson in poker, and it took all of my neurons just to figure out what was going on in an individual hand. I'm definitely far from an expert poker player, but at this point I at least understand the gap between the expert player and a good player without a lot of experience. My dad, one of the smartest people I've met (I'm biased, but trust me on this one), explained this gap in his area of expertise (data analysis): "What I learned in expert system development (which I already knew) , is I've got a long way to go, but at least I'm starting to smell when things aren't right. Playing the Players Loose Players
2. Loose Aggressive: Loose-aggressive players are by far the most difficult opponents to play against. Since they will bet and raise with a large range of hands, raises don’t give us much information about the strength of their hand. In addition, loose-aggressive players will often call with monster hands, and like to make "tricky" plays. Thus, it's difficult to using the betting actions of a loose-aggressive opponent to put them on a hand. I'll usually call this type of player down with marginal hands (such as top pair, weak kicker or second pair, top kicker), and only re-raise when I'm quite sure that my hand is pretty far ahead.
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Thanks for reading and good cards. Posted by hdouble at December 3, 2004 08:49 PM | TrackBack Maximize your profits: learn how to use the most powerful tool in online poker. Comments
another informative and helpful post - thank you Posted by: pokercode at December 4, 2004 10:32 AMGREAT post! Almost makes me want to play limit...almost. Posted by: DoubleAs at December 4, 2004 11:30 AMSee you in Vegas! Posted by: Pauly at December 4, 2004 12:26 PMegads, great uberpost. Posted by: iggy at December 4, 2004 01:10 PMThanks for the good post. Your postings help to keep me motivated as I continue to try and improve my limit game. Keep it comin! Posted by: at December 4, 2004 01:42 PMThanks for a great and informative read! Posted by: 4Flush at December 4, 2004 02:40 PMBwa ha ha! Posted by: TheFilmGeek at December 5, 2004 08:36 PMThe post was great but I have one small question…. Where is REASONABLE DOUBT (part three). I have been waiting for ever it seems for the next instalment in that great story. Posted by: darknoj at December 6, 2004 11:29 AMgood sh!t, very good sh!t... Posted by: ChezJ at December 6, 2004 11:55 AMnice work, H. Much appreciated. It IS freezing in LA. We've spoken before about how we're both cool enough to have Swedish wives. :) I have a question. Does yours complain about the weather ("stupid cold country" is a common refrain)? Yeah, it's cold for LA and that wind is a mofo, but it's zero Celsius and dark in Sweden right now! Posted by: smacca17 at December 6, 2004 01:34 PMGreat post, H!! This definitely deserves to be among the "Best of." Hope you can come out & join us in Vegas this upcoming weekend. -EV Posted by: -EV at December 6, 2004 06:49 PMExcellent post again! After reading several articles on player types, I've developed a system of just calling out the player's name and play style after a few orbits. It helps to remember what type of player you pegged him/her as. Posted by: Drizztdj at December 7, 2004 08:07 AMOne more type of player you forgot to mention: the Chameleon. This is the player who has literally thrown the book out the window, and plays according to the shifting dynamics of the table. Most of us have probably been that player at one time or another -- we might call it "being in the zone". Chameleons make surprising, extraordinary plays that turn out to be exactly correct. These players are the real "stone killers" and the ones who crush the higher limit games. They also tend to excel at tournaments, because tournaments demand major changes in strategy as the blinds/antes and stack sizes change. Shunryu Suzuki might have been talking about this kind of player when he coined the phrase "beginner's mind". They have the knowledge and skill of a pro but without the habits and knee-jerk reactions. The question is, How do we become like these players? Posted by: Razorfold at December 7, 2004 11:28 AMthat mouse story reminds me of something that paul phillips posted a while back about internet players but it pertains here to some degree. he referred to the term "cargo cult" mentality and it really stuck with me. here's a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult the basic idea is this: The cultists thought that the foreigners have some special connection to the ancestors, who were the only beings powerful enough to spill such riches. By mimicking the foreigners, they hoped to bypass them. Eventually, the Pacific cultists gave up. But, from time to time, the term "Cargo cult" is invoked as an English language idiom, to mean any group of people making obeisance to something that it is obvious they do not comprehend. interesting... love the post, bro. Posted by: helixx at December 7, 2004 02:27 PMHDouble coming to WPBT in Vegas? Is it true? It'd be great to have you out there man! Posted by: -EV at December 9, 2004 05:58 PMYou will find refrence to your mice story in the best poker book written; "Fooled By Randomness" by Nassim Taleb. It actually works more with markets, but poker is where it lives. Thanks for a great blog Posted by: FeralAce at December 10, 2004 02:27 PMReading this sort of reminded me of an old saying a friend told me once. Goes something like this: "You get your bachelor's degree, you think you know everything. You get your Master's, you don't think you know anything. You get your Ph.D, and you realize NO ONE knows anything". I think a lot of beginning players play a few hands, read a book or two, and think they have all the answers. If they're smart and/or lucky, they realize that not only do they not know all the answers, they haven't even been asking the right questions. To my mind, that's the mark of an intelligent and educated person--understanding the limits of your knowledge and knowing in what directions you should go to learn. Heck, that alone is a good reason to read poker blogs--to find out what questions to ask. When you develop expertise in a field, you've internalized so much information that what might otherwise be of concern to someone with less experience (like calculating pot odds) is mere instinct or reflex, freeing your mind to focus on more unusual or esoteric possibilities. You're examining data (like body language, betting patterns, etc) that other players can't process. And when you combine that expertise with that will o' the wisp called talent, that's when you get what looks like alchemy to the run-of-the-mill player. Posted by: Mean Gene at December 12, 2004 12:56 PMFantastic review. The nuggets at the end are spectacular. I have been playing for a little less than a year and this kind of information is unbelieveably helpful. Thanks for your insight and KEEP IT COMING!!! How about something on pot odds and calculating your outs? you mentioned that you took timeouts for that in the begining - did you find shortcuts to figure them out or was it just expereience? Any suggestions on things to do to practice calculating them? Posted by: Sponge_Bob at December 28, 2004 01:48 PMPost a comment
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